Questions & Answers

Question…………isn’t universal healthcare wonderful? Shouldn’t everybody have it?

Answer…………..yes!

Question……..if there is a current shortage of Doctors with millions of uninsured people today what will happen if everyone is suddenly insured?

Answer…….hmmmmmmmmmmmm that’s a tough one.

Question……….didn’t this question come up when Hillary covened the forums back in the day? What happened to her plan?

Answer ………..Yes mmmmmmmmmmm it didn’t work out, the doctors were excluded from the process.

Question………..um shouldn’t the doctors be the first line of consideration in this process since they are the actual providers?

Answer……….Yes!

Question………..well what do they say today?

Answer…………they say it won’t work and will drive up demand for care that an already overtaxed provider system can’t cope with.

Question………..well what is the answer?

Answer……….ignore reality and do it anyway it gets short term votes.

Question………..but doesn’t that waste money and flood our emergency rooms with millions of now insured people who can’t find primary care physicians for at least 10 years?

Answer………oh comon………… you are beiing logical now and not a team player. It’s change dummy! Yes we can!

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/27/health/policy/27care.html?_r=1&th&emc=th

It must  be accurate it’s in the New York Times.

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9 Responses

  1. But if you had asked Wall Street whether or not fancy financial instruments like credit default swaps should be regulated, they’d have said….? NO! And look where that got us.

    So of course doctors will say No to national health care. But we already have it for one group: seniors. It’s called Medicare. I suggest that a poll of them would say they prefer it to…go out and get it in the private sector.

    Are we the only “sane” country in the industrialized world because we alone have no form of national health care?
    I’d say we are on the wrong side of history….

    And the fact is, most polls show that’s what the public wants. And what the public wants, it gets. Right or wrong.
    Right?

  2. “But if you had asked Wall Street whether or not fancy financial instruments like credit default swaps should be regulated, they’d have said….? NO! And look where that got us.”

    Granted however I would not place my health in the hands of people trying to sell me risky securities. Dr’s are much more ethical as a group than wall street. You should ask your Doctors as you leave what they think of government run health care today and expanding it tomorrow. My doctor today responded with a 20 minute speech on how poorly the current government intervention is for those who are covered and how bad it is to have insurance companiesand government dictating what he can write for his patients.

    Other countries national health coverage have very mixed reviews by their populations served. i.e. GB, Canada, Denmark all bitch about having long delays in elected proceedures and about having government criteria determine the level of care they are permitted to have. (The older folk who have dollars to spend can’t even get their needs met on a timely basis.if ya have a cold and walk into a clinic for aspirin its great, but a hip replacement is an entirely different animal.)

    “And the fact is, most polls show that’s what the public wants. And what the public wants, it gets. Right or wrong.
    Right?”

    The public is being sold a fantasy. And they sooooooo want to believe it. If you read the link I posted you can see the problem with primary care physicians. Government can’t manufacture them nor incent them to become private care physicians and still pay them less than the specialist. So in order to meet the needs of the currently uninsured we will have to lower standards and increase the number of nurse practioners by thousands over night. Now you may be comfortable with a life threating illness diagnosed by a nurse practitioner but I am not.

    Now the irony here is that under the current system the uninsured can get extraordinarily good treatment through hospital emergency rooms, treatment better than many who have coverage. Hospitals are monitored by the government and SIGs to assure that the uninsured are not discriminated against in quality of care.

    Their is no magic bullet. But there is another election to be won…another poor dittering old Senator to be turned for total control of the Senate. Who cares about reality? Let them eat cake. Its all about power and control.

  3. EE I viewed this several times and have done a little digging. It is full of highly biased and rather unprofessional comments. These are the kind of rose colored glasses that ignite partisan divide. This comes with an 8% tax increase across the board and a disproportionately larger one to wealthy people, while those who don’t pay taxes get a walk. I don’t see that as American. And people who don’t pay for something don’t value it ………it’s human nature. The point is also made that folks won’t have to hold on to service economy jobs for health care reasons and can move up the employment chain. Many folks have their hands full just with those jobs and are not ever going to move up the food chain.

    hb676 is in committee(s) where it likely will be for some time. It almost certainly will be modified with some major changes if it is to be passed and then the Senate gets it. My chief objection is the law of unintended consequences. While the bill says that existing insurance can be maintained that is based on a lot of unsubstantiated assumption i.e. my insurer, GE provides fantastic benefits to my wife and I, but they might change if they can find a loophole in the new legislation. Also, as General Practitioners are in short supply and already being discriminated against with medicade payments (specialists get more) what will happen to my ability to receive timely service when 30 million new patients start looking for care? I use myself as a fairly common representation of many of the boomers who have worked all their lives and are ready to retire. I know that some folks go abroad for medical procedures because of price, but they also come here because of speed in getting it done.

    I guess I’m old fashioned at heart though I like to think I am progressive. I remember having a baby without any insurance. We had to save the cash to pay the doctors and hospital. Same thing with having wisdom teeth out, I had 4 out at once because it was 60% of doing it twice. Ouch! Then when I paid my way through college by working I made sure that I never took a job without health coverage. Thing is I always worked. Had 4 jobs once when things were bad but I always worked.

    I get real nervous when I see proposals that disincent work and demand entitlements. Doesn’t matter to me what other nations are doing in that regard. We are not Europe, and up until this past year have had to bail them out time and time again.

    Guess I am just old fashioned. Also I have worked in Government as I shared on another blog and I know of its constant inability to deliver quality service. I don’t want the government setting medical standards over my doctors, and my doctors don’t want it either. Doctors in the US are not like doctors in Europe. I worry that the professionalism that currently exists here will vanish and everything will be an HMO. My experience with HMO’s are that the clock is always running and people don’t really matter. Just do what the book says and …………..next…………

    Bottom line is I think people should have to work to have coverage, or at least pay for it with dollars they have acquired. I don’t think Bill Gates or Warren Buffett should have to pay more for the unemployed to have coverage.

  4. I don’t know PT, I guess I live in that Star Trek utopian world where we have evolved and have the means to end hunger, poverty, and the lack of health care.

    I think that given the chance, the majority of people would rather work than receive handouts. I am fortunate enough that all of my jobs came with health coverage and I am entitled to benefits under the V.A.

    I do not worry about Warren Buffett and Bill Gates. They’ll never go hungry. But we do operate under a progressive tax in this country and I am sure those two won’t mind paying a little bit more.

  5. > Other countries national health coverage have very mixed
    > reviews by their populations served.

    How’s that any different from say a poll of what US citizens think of the economy today? But do you think a majority would say, let’s get a new form of economic system? It’s easy to complain, and most do, about the current situation in any aspect. But I doubt that a vote on abolishing national health care in favor of private health insurance would pass ijn any cou7ntry that has and that is the true test of its value. Or do you have any info to the contrary?

    > The public is being sold a fantasy

    As it was in the beginning of government, is now, and forever shall be as long as government based on elections exist. Amen. LOL! I am willing to be the absolute monarch / philosopher-king!

    I am in an HMO and have been for maybe 25 years. Capital Health Plan. I have no problems with it.

  6. “I am in an HMO and have been for maybe 25 years. Capital Health Plan. I have no problems with it.”

    I am glad your experience is good and wish you continued success. My experience has been otherwise. Most recently I had an overnight infection in one of my fingers. Needed to get it fixed on a holiday when my regular gp was closed. So it was either the ER or a walk in. The walk in treated me right away and it hurt like bloody hell, but he had a lobby full of walk ins and didn’t take time to properly numb the finger. (and it would have cost them more too). IMHO that is what we will move to under universal health care.

    “I think that given the chance, the majority of people would rather work than receive handouts”

    EE

    The majority still leaves a host of people who are not able to work and are not paying taxes. The young and the old don’t pay and no one pays for them if their parents/family don’t pay taxes.

  7. Here’s what I find interesting:

    You support public education but I do not. I think that education can be accomplished at home (and there seems to be rising interest in that), OR it can privatized to be “affordable.”

    On the other hand, I support government health care because I think health is a basic right since you can die without it. Lack of education just leaves you ignorant.

    I think you support public education but not public health care. Interesting how we view what is the “proper” sphere of government.

    It is possible we are both being inconsistent….

  8. “I think you support public education but not public health care. Interesting how we view what is the “proper” sphere of government.

    It is possible we are both being inconsistent….”

    “I know of no safe repository of the ultimate power of society but people. And if we think them not enlightened enough, the remedy is not to take the power from them, but to inform them by education.”

    Thomas Jefferson

    There are 2 primary reasons I strongly support public education and Jefferson hit one of them. If we had a different form of government that didn’t require a literate public it would not be so critical. So to me it’s a component of our society, whereas national health care is simply not necessary. One can argue that we are on our way with Medicare, god knows I have paid enough into that fund already and have gotten zero for it personally, but my former mother in law got 10’s of thousands of life prolonging care dollars at life’s end (which sets off a whole nother debate.)

    The second reason is because I have children. Baring and raising children is not something that can be fully understood without experiencing it, it is a life altering and life lasting experience. So without belaboring the point I will just say that I had kids in school all around this state from 1970 to 2006 (K thru 16) my experience with public education is varied but it would have been a major handicap to life if we had to home school them. Don’t think we could have done it cause both spouses and I were working full time. Additionally I have zero teaching qualifications.

    Our current educational model needs major revolutionizing (we should start by having a fire drill at the Turlington Building and once everyone was outside just blow it up and ask the employees to go find a teaching job.) What I would love to see proposed is a way to finance health care within the existing educational expense. I am convinced there is so much waste in education that could be stripped away we would have trillions left over. But an additional tax increase of 8% (hb 676) is just outrageous given what we are already paying in taxes.

    I totally oppose welfare at all levels it is fundamentally dehumanizing. There is emergency care available now for indigents who need it but we must not make free healthcare a lifestyle whatever we end up doing.

    I have worked with the unemployed and I can assure you that many of them would feel entitled for life if given the chance.

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